She told her son Kenneth, who was 16, he had to start attending the academy and the church with her. Even I believe that if you are living in sin you are getting to the point where you are eventually will lose your salvation. The IFB Insidious Fundamental Baptist Church . If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. I can tell by your grammar and spelling that you arent very educated (just an observation not a judgment). But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Was so funny reading it, one thing that struck me is if an outsider were to read it theyd be incredulous, wondering how we stuck with it for so long. (John 3:36; Romans 14:4-12;2 Corinthians 4:2; Titus 1:9), Local church membership is restricted to individuals who give a believable testimony of personal faith in Christ and have publicly identified with Him in believer's baptism. We wanted help and we wanted to know what the Bible said. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. Many of these are down right untruthful . (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. . We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. If you think that tattoos are marks of the Devil, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 20. THE LAST THINGS JUDAH. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! It emphasizes love at the expense of truth. (HYPOCRISY) At its finest. No, thats silly! It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Yes, we have a tract rack. 21. 29. I will never forget that day that I sat in my pastors car and he prayed with me, he didnt know what was happening in my life, but he knew I needed someone to pray with and I could see it in his eyes. However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. Thats not unique to the IFB. If you think that tithing 10% of your gross income is the minimum, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 6. Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith around mutual interests or ministry opportunities, but one church cannot exert authority over another. Haha, thanks for the confirmation! I came to get a few laughs but it sounds like you were really hurt by some church growing up. We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. Same pastor who says to his congregation I love you, we all love you here.and we will not judge you. Great job adding a bit of levity! For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: If your denomination knocked on their door im sure they wouldnt have gotten saved and the helped they needed. Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? Of course these cultural attachments border on the cultic, no doubt are legalistic, and hopefully will disappear eventually as the old guard depart their bondage in this life for Glory! Praise the lord for giving it to us. WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. Despite having overcome drug addiction, trouble controlling my drinking, and a whole lot of other issues, my church never told me to leave, never told me to come back when I was better, never scolded me. [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". We also teach that one must hear the Word of God, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must repent of your sins, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must be baptized for the remissions of sins, and one must live faithful until death. WebGetting to it. https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. I do agree that its not sinful about renting movies or watching them on TV. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! The True Church: The doctrine of a believer's church is a key belief in Baptist life. Wow! I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. Preachers should not put their congregation under constraint. If Just As I Am causes you to repent and go to the altar, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. And that boy who has grown up in Sunday School (because I brought him in my car every week) is now in 6th grade and has experienced the concept of unconditional love and promises that are kept things which would otherwise have been foreign. 48. We believe that the clear message of salvation is repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. 23. Thats The Holy Spirit speaking to me. If you pray using KJV language (thee, though, ye, etc. To love Jesus is to love his word and follow his commands because we love him. Its my calling and my ministry. We even have TWO. Refusing to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcohol Theres nothing wrong with eating at a restaurant you just cant order alcohol, thats all. Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. 8. Jack hyles was an adulterous heretic. Lots of people at the church stoped what they were doing to attend. While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. Maybe you had a bad experience or many years of bad experiences at an IFB church, but that will never excuse you from bad mouthing any of Gods people or the many IFB churches the Lord uses to spread His word or send missionaries to the remotest parts of the world to seek those who are lost. You are correct! And as the word independent implies, we are not all alike. Thanks for being thankful for the grace God has giving us. I do think that you can drink but you just cant be drink which is a legalistic problem within most Independent Fundamental Baptists. His son a child murderer. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you. They all work together. We teach that baptism is necessary for salvation as I get this quote from the King James Version from John 3:5; Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. Me and my boyfriend were going to break up unless there was hope for change. That is the only sin that cannot be forgiven. Youre judgment of me by one blog post and its comments is typical IFB tactic. It was fun to read down through comments and feel a little gratified that not everyone was chuckling to themselves againwhy?? WebThe 1920 Baptist Fundamentals declared, The fundamental principle of the Baptists, in common with many other evangelicals, has always been the gospel, which is the essence You can clap in church, we did that Mountain, the church I grew up though we didnt do it very often though. We forgive people, but only God can forgive sins. All rights reserved. If you want a discussion ask for one. The Pastor leads, feeds, guides, and guards the church at the direction of Christ. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. Ive known many people whom God has reached using the IFB. Marriage for two people that want to make a life together is biblical. I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. 53. Independent Fundamental Baptist or Bible-Believing Baptist) are a particularly cranky fundamentalist branch of unaffiliated First wash the inside of the cup and the dish,[i] and then the outside will become clean, too. 3. If you think that you should cut your vacation short so that you can make it back in time for Sunday morning Sunday School, but think its OK that your pastor miss a Sunday or two because hes on vacation, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 5. All churches are full of sinful people, including the pastor. We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. When you discover that female is indeed wearing the acceptable dress, skirt or koulotts youre so relieved to know that shes right with God ! All fellowship should be grounded in doctrine. If you pray using the KJV language I dont pray like that except when I recite the Lords Prayer because nobody talks like that anymore. We will never attain that on this side. No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. When you find Christ, you are a new creation and the spirit helps you to live a life that pleases Him, not us. 9 Their worship of me is pointless, because their teachings are rules made by humans.. There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. I think I find it more funny how you all think it IS funny and Im just over here secretly judging your jeans ;b, But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter. So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with the Lord with good performance You cant make up for sins nor can salvation be earned. The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. 35. 3 And why worry about a speck in your friends eye when you have a log in your own? While I have no opinions on this I do agree that wives, from a biblical view, should be submissive to their husbands because its found in Ephesians 5:22-23: 22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. Its never spoken but up there to read. 5 Hypocrite! you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. I had a pastor who was reaching out to me in the darkest part of my life, he used a broken phone as a way to get to me, he knew I could try and fix it, so he brought it to me and, rather than berating me, after I had fixed the phone he simply asked me Would it be okay if we just prayed together? and I knew, in that moment, that he actually did care about me, he didnt ask me to come to church, didnt ask for money, didnt ask for anything except for the opportunity to pray with me. )(yikes), because I never want to put that church building and hierarchy that rules it above Christ. I also KNOW the areas that Hes not pleased with as I choose to hold on to that which the Bible clearly states as sin. I dont believe some of the Catholic doctrine is true, but all have belief in things they believe and unbelief in things they dont believe. If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 36. Well I am a little confused. What a typical, legalistic comment from Jason. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. Gospel Light Baptist Church, Albany, Georgia. If you think that tithing of ten percent of your income is the minimum I dont have any position on this even though I do believe in tithes and offerings. Illustration by Don Pfaffe appearing in the Central Conservative Baptist Quarterly 26. 7 They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called Rabbi.. Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. If you should cut your vacation short you should never miss church this has happened only once in my life when I went I was on my senior class trip. We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. WebWARNING!!!! I must put it in Jesus Christ. No, but I wanted to send the rest of my life with him. Their testimony is great Im sure they won more people to the lord than you. 4,2, and 7 month old. The Baptist distinctives are listed below: The Bible is our sole authority for faith and practice. We sought counseling to see if there was any hope. OK That list just brought back memories that I can thankfully laugh at now. It didnt raise red flags for me. Its the inspired word of God. I am a pastor of a Baptist church, but rather than call myself INDEPENDENT, I call myself unaffiliated with the other Baptist Churches. This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. Whats wrong with a tract rack? All youve done in your last paragraph is parrot typical IFB talking points no substance there, just regurgitation. God knows the names of his children and for anyone to accuse another of security in Christ is hypocrisy. Independent Fundamental Baptist is NOT a denomination because they are Independent I am not Baptist but they are CLOSE to being a denomination because of their beliefs. But, all teasing aside, the author and other commentators sound very bitter and unhappy so I honestly feel badly for you. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? I remember our pastor asking us if we could forgive each other, and praise the lord we forgave each other for the offenses committed against each other. God speaks to individuals through His Word and His Spirit. Happily a brainwashed Bible-folk for about 28 years with more peace in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and a firm foundation of absolute truth to stand on (yes, thats the KV, haha!). But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. Im open to discussions what Im not open to is people telling me what God wants me to do with my time and resources. We wanted Gods blessing of Mariage. You might be a hypocrite if you dedicate a whole website to exposing deception while using it.??? And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? If you believe that God cant use a divorced man and pull out your Scofield Bible to show why, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 39. God Wasnt going to see our fornicating as bringing glory to him. 5. (Romans 13:1-7; Ephesians 5:21-6:4; Hebrews 13:17; I Peter 2:13-15). I dont see how. Its method of operation is subversive. Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. Hmm, I cant think of a better word to describe the workings of the IFB! Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. XII. The truth is, if you had sex with ANY woman before you finally decided to marry one of them, you are a divorced man. 46. The thing is, its so insidious, you dont really realize its happening until youre firmly entrenched. We cant save people, only God can. Jesus does that. 24 Blind guides! Lol. Thanks. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. Jesus saved by dying on the cross in my husbands place. We believe in verbal, plenary inspiration in the original writings, and God's preservation of His pure words to every generation (II Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6-8). Or preferring the KJV? From a biblical standpoint, Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man and only Jesus can intercede us. The preachers who I knew as a teenager all had real degrees in theology from acredited universities. No denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. Remember when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees? The bitterness argument has been answered many times. I lied just to get government support saying My child and I live alone. The Bible terms pastor, elder, and bishop refer to different responsibilities for the same office. This is because primarily I am a Bible Believer and if church doctrine of any individual church does not line with scripture, then this so called doctrine is nothing more than a vain tradition. I mean, why would you think its too liberal to sing anything other than hymns in the church because, there are some churches within the Southern Baptist Convention, which is different from the IFB, that have a contemporary music worship in one service and have traditional hymns in another service. 55. We had been boyfriend and girlfriend for 5 years and a baby that was 10 months old. Belief number 51 is absolutely wrong. 38. In fact, if you're single you know what I'm talking about. Section 1: General This is a sovereign and democratic independent fundamental Baptist church under the Lordship of Jesus Christ. These are right on the money! 22 of the congregations are in 16 U.S. states, one in British Columbia, three are in the Philippines, two are in the Australian states of New South Wales and Queensland, and one congregation is located in the South African town of Middelburg. You might Not all churches are the same and if they are teaching Bible, they do teach about sin, and it should not be to make you feel any constraint towards the pastor to get away from that sin, but to learn to have some personal conviction that their sins need to be addressed, but THEY have to make that decision. Some of these are very much right on the money. Only thing Ill add to the list is, You might be an IFB if you greet all visitors with huge smiles, handshakes, and extreme cheerfulness. I feel sorry for all the visitors we almost accosted now; no wonder some never came back! [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. Pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body My preacher never preaches that though there are very few people at my current church that smoke. And, I am genuinely sorry if any unbiblical or otherwise wrong IFB group, person or church, has hurt anyone here. I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! We believe that speaking in tongues was never the common or necessary sign of the baptism or filling of the Holy Spirit and that ultimate deliverance of the body from sickness or death awaits the consummation of our salvation in the resurrection, though God frequently chooses to answer the prayer of believers for physical healing. Im still separate I have just decided to sin. Ive used tattoos but not permanent ones. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ accomplished our redemption through His finished work on the cross as a representative, vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice; and that our justification is made sure by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead (Romans 3:24-25; I Peter 2:24; Ephesians 1:7; I Peter 1:3-5). They try there best to live for Christ and to give God the glory for everything. The IFB are Pharisees of our day. Praise God because us getting married and having faith we both grew. We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). I can tolerate the other bits that go over board as long I am believing the word and get correct non compromising bible teaching. I agree some are or at least seem to be what most consider legalistic. WebSecond, it is Fundamental. Each church is autonomous, or self-governing, and contains all human authority for leadership within its congregation. 2. No one leaves on good terms unfortunately. An independent Baptist Missionary (24 years in Romania) has posted a site The Laymans Biblical Handbook. More than 200 doctrines at http://www.thelaymansbiblicalhandbook.com/ What is the Southern Baptist Convention and what do Southern Baptists believe? My ministry isnt to the lost, its to help heal those whove been hurt by the IFB. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. People can ask for clarification if they want. (Genesis 2:24; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:20-32; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:l-8; Hebrews 13:4), We believe that human life begins at conception and that the unborn child is a living human being. If you look down on people who are divorce That is absolutely wrong. Who are the Independent Baptists, and what do they believe? That can get a little hairy, though, because you never know when youll end up at a more liberal churchlike yours! If your pastor preaches against smoking because it is bad for the body but is himself an obese glutton, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 25. Baptists believe the Bible and strive to live according to its teaching. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? If the devil is going to attack, he will attack the family and the church first. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. I have read other versions of the Bible. Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. is Looking to God for missionaries to help expand the vision and ministries of G.F.F. Tithing was around since before the Law of Moses. The pastor pointed out (over the course of his long 2 hour sermon LOL) that a shepherd doesnt use a rod and staff to beat his sheep but to prod and guide them. Ill fight against the abusive traditions and teachings of the IFB till I die. God works in mysterious ways. So spontaneous but like it was planned. I had a wedding dress from when my boyfriend proposed on December 5, 2010. Since the origins of the church, Baptists have said the Bible is the only authority for Christian faith He wasnt saying that spanking is right or wrong, but that definitely extreme discipline and beating kids is not what the Bible teaches. The parable of the prodigal son is talking about Israel the younger and Judah the elder. I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. I know you scoff at my pity but there it is. Reading any other version outside of the King James Version is sin same concern as I mentioned topic 1 I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. Is there any perfect , no. That being said, I just want to warn the author about injecting too much of his own agenda into these posts. Being a IFB preacher, I confess a lot of truth here. Stil fit. Ephesians 2:8-9 The explosion caused property damage but no injuries or deaths. (Acts 2:41-47; 1 Corinthians 12:12,18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Hebrews 10:23-25), Scripture mandates two offices for the local church: Pastor and Deacon. Your happy mega churches do too. We dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. People need Jesuswhats the big deal? WebWe believe that Jesus gave Christians two ordinances: The Lords Supper and Baptism. If you believe that going to (or sending your child to) a college thats not approved by the IFB (e.g., Bob Jones University, Pensacola Bible College, Baptist Bible College, Hyles Anderson College, Tennessee Temple University) will cause you (or your child) to become worldly or will provide an undue worldly influence on you (or your child), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 29. If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. N/A Although some Independent Baptist churches refuse affiliation with Baptist denominations, various Independent Baptist Church denominations have been founded. Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? Read Matthew 23 for more information. There I am separate does that mean Im never going to curse, or think negative thoughts. And Pastor of Bible-Believing, Fundamental, Independent. Its the inspired word of God. No, its only announced in the powers points as a time and place. (II Corinthians 12:12; I Corinthians 13:8; Hebrews 2:3-4; Mark 16:17-20; I Corinthians 1:22, 14:21-22). We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches.
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